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Warhammer Online ingame Tells gets crazy!
We found this on a famous Chinese RMT information portal site. Warhammer Online has officially been released on 18th September. This Chinese website
has already started their business of helping other RMT sites to do in-game advertisement. Here is the translation:
News source: http://www.zhiyewanjia.com/article/2008/0918/article_16899.html
From the 18th, over a hundred thousand players are expecting to sign up for this most awaited game. The figure itself indicates a potentially
prosperous RMT market. The problem is how you promote your site and how can you outperform thousands of competitor sites out there?
The official version of Warhammer ingame tells bot (ingame email sending) is already ON sale. It can help you cut down the huge oversea ads expenses
and get you in touch with audience of millions directly. In order to ensure the efficiency of the promotion, this opportunity is only accessible to
the first ten customers.
Features:
1. Manually login the game client
2. Server Auto Select
3. Player Auto Search
4. Auto Whisper
5. Auto Ingame Email
6. Auto Logout and Reselect
Technical Support:
1. Provision of technical supports, including remote software learning instruction
2. Provision of technical maintenance and updating
P.S. The extra charge depends on the new functions of the customer’s requirements
Many site owners bought this software and started to spamming in this game, will the game operator just wink at what they’re doing? Let’s read
some news on the other side of the world. Mythic Entertainment GM and VP Mark Jacobs expressed his feelings on gold sellers on his personal blog. The
details are as below:
I hate gold sellers/spammers. No, that's not strong enough, let me try again. I HATE GOLD SELLERS WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING. Ah, that's better.
Now, why do I hate them you may ask? I hate them for a number of reasons, most of which have been detailed in various interviews I've done over the
years. And now that they have taken their obnoxiousness to new levels with gold service spamming, I HATE GOLD SPAMMERS EVEN MORE NOW THAN EVER BEFORE.
For years, lowlifes like IGE have told us, in defense of their behavior, that they a) are just providing a service; b) don't interfere with players
enjoyment of the game. Well, I can't argue with (a), they are providing a service, just like maggots I suppose but I've always argued that (b) is
totally and complete BS. Now, those old arguments aside, I can't see how this new generation of pond scum (new and improved, with 25% more scummy
action!) can argue that their constant spamming of chat channels doesn't interfere with players enjoyment of the game (I'm waiting for the whole
"Oh, you can always just turn off chat" argument). I hated seeing their messages when I played WoW or any other MMO and I've been waiting for the
day that WAR launched so I could have the absolute pleasure of instituting policies to make their lives more difficult so we could drive them out of
WAR. Since WAR launched we have been banning these jerks like crazy. As of Saturday Night, we had banned about 400 of them. My CSRs have a zero
tolerance policy. We don't wait and let them stay in the game and ban them en-masse, my guys ban their useless, time-consuming butts right away. We
have a strike team whose sole job it is to get these guys off our servers as quickly as possible. This weekend, we unveiled a new wrinkle in the fight
against them, the public ban message. Players on our Phoenix Throne server have been treated to special messages when a gold seller/spammer is banned.
I've given them a wide leash to come up with creative messages to tell the entire community who has been banned and we keep it within the Warhammer
universe. A year or two ago, the ingame advertisement is not a very common practice and game companies usually will not start banning from the open
beta. As the strength on the RMT sides becomes stronger, the counter act on the game companies’ side becomes even tougher. However, based on my
experience no matter how tough it is if there is still a dollar of profit to be made they will keep doing it. It is possible to limit the gold farming
practice to some extent however it is impossible to stop the interaction between the gamers. The war between the gold farmer and EA has started and
will continue.
2 weeks afterwards....
EA streamlined streamline the gold seller reporting process
Here is the news.
News Sources:
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=351
We are committed to making life as hard as we can for Gold Sellers in game and maximizing player enjoyment. To that end we have added a new tool to
streamline the gold seller reporting process.
To properly report someone soliciting the sale of in-game gold or services in exchange for real world currency, please use our new category designed
specifically to address this violation in the Appeal Interface. The category is entitled GOLD/PL SALES, and is a stand-alone category. You will not
find this under the Violation category itself.
Some things to note about how to appeal this violation properly:
Make sure you place the player's exact name in the first window, which asks for the player name.
Place the text the player sent you in the second window, which asks for details about what was sent. Also note if this solicitation came in the form
of in-game chat (any channel), or through the mail system.
Please make sure you submit one appeal per solicitor. Do not try to place multiple names into the first box, as the appeal will fail.
This system was specifically designed to further streamline our process in actioning these solicitors. Using any mod that does not use this system
will be counter-productive to our cause, and should not be used. Any violation report of this nature that does not use this new system will receive a
response asking you to use the system above. Please make sure you only place solicitation reports into the new GOLD/PL SALES category, and not any
other violation category such as General, Harassment, etc.
Your cooperation will only ensure that we are able to continue to handle these reports in the most efficient manner possible.
Thank you!
"Sean reported from China"
[Edited on 1/15/2009 by carebear]
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| posted on 10/31/2008 at 03:39 PM |
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Its Bullshit!
I am the CEO at Mogs.com, Im also a lvl 40 Ironbreaker on Volk  http://www.mmobux.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:none" alt=";)" /> ... I have a few lvl 70s in WoW on
Arthas Horde... Myself along with my staff all deeply despise in game advertising.. For all of you jackass site owners/ marketing directors from
across the Ocean that think you are winning the hearts and pockets of consumers you are dead wrong and wasting your time and money. I find it very
comical the weak approach that about many of the RMT sites use when trying to acquire new customers. You do not live here in the USA and have no real
clue on what the US consumers needs are.. you all follow suit doing the same weak ass [Censored] day in and day out.. You ruin peoples gaming
experience with spamming in game, you make Bullshit and misleading promises on your sites that only end up leaving a customer with a very bad outlook
on the RMT industry. But these are the only tactics you know and why is that? Because a huge majority of site owners in China are kids that have
dropped out of school and have zero talents, there are even a few that where in a gang when starting up. As a matter of fact, a company that I would
consider to be big seeing they are backed by VC is Brogame (Thsale), yet look at their affiliate site and then look at Mogs... see any similarities?
It took me about 20 emails to get them to change the text that was originally on their page that had the word Mogs mentioned multiple times.. why???
Because the stole our whole page and reworded some stuff and changed a few images. Inventive!!! Way to go guys glad to see you have some creativity.
http://affiliates.mogs.com/ http://affiliate.brogame.com/... wait hahaha I just looked at their terms page... http://affiliate.brogame.com/terms.php "Massive Online Gaming Sales" is
mentioned all throughout.. WOW!! Hey umm Brogame if you guys read this could you take our terms off your website please. So just another example of
how professional many of sites are... they are not.. as consumers if you want to help end in game spam, massive farming operations hording your mobs
then DONT BUY CHINESE GOLD or POWERLEVELING.. keep your money in the US and be confident that you can have an English speaking Customer Service rep
sitting right here in Cleveland Ohio that will be able to assist you should you have an issues, as we all know there are issues that can happen in
this industry.
In closing of my rant/ shameless Mogs plug I have to say to my Chinese competitors do yourselves and the rest of the people that enjoy these games a
favor and give the in game spam up... better yet give up on RMT because Mogs is going to PWN all your asses!!!
[Edited on 11/1/2008 by mogs]
www.MOGS.com
The Worlds premier USA based RMT service!
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fuckingmogs.com
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| posted on 11/1/2008 at 11:10 AM |
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Hi Mr. Mogs
People who live in glasshouses should not show stones.
You do not need to know who I am. You just need to find out if the following is true or not.
1.You are misleading your customer with some false claims.
e.g, “We hire American pro-gamers to level up your account.”
2.Google black SEO.
Yes. Many sites spam in the game, while you do not. I am not sure if you want to do this or not. What I am sure is you will not be able to even give
it a try, because you will be sued by the game developer if you start to do that.
But if you cannot spam in game, how you can get business, you use black SEO.
This is a site you made.
www.aocgold.net
Edit by carebear: Image removed due to copyright complaint.
Just google the domain we will find nearly 4300 back links.
Most of the quick dirty links are like this
Here are some comical claims on your site.
“
Cheap AoC Gold from the USA!
You don't need to go to China for cheap AoC Gold - we offer competitive prices on all servers whilst maintaining the high level of service you'd
expect from an American provider.
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Nice statement. Mr. Mogs is telling us the truth. We are not buying from china, We are buying from US.
Let’s ask Mr. Mogs a simple question. Where is your gold from?
Can you admit the true?
“Mr mogs’s gold and power leveling supplier are all from china.”
Why you do not spam back links for mogs.com. Maybe it is very similar to the reason why you do not spam in game, because you are afraid you site is
banned by Google just like you are afraid you will be sued by the game developer.
“Buying from US” has now become a good reason to charge more of the same product.
Shut up Mr. Mogs!
I understand everyone is this RMT industry has to tell some lies or use some unethical strategies to make your living. It is fine.
Your comments are offensive rather than constructive.
That is a pot calling a kettle black.
[Edited on 11/1/2008 by fuckingmogs.com]
[Edited on 11/1/2008 by fuckingmogs.com]
[Edited on 11/3/2008 by carebear]
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| posted on 11/1/2008 at 01:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fuckingmogs.com
2.Google black SEO.
Yes. Many sites spam in the game, while you do not. I am not sure if you want to do this or not. What I am sure is you will not be able to even give
it a try, because you will be sued by the game developer if you start to do that.
But if you cannot spam in game, how you can get business, you use black SEO.
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My friend,
If you knew anything about SEO and the RMT industry you would realise why what you've just said is completely false. The technology employed by black
hat SEOs within RMT use a catch-all technique for automated link building/spamming. This means that whilst sites like this do have questionable links
posted to them, they are not the original target. Check out sites such as IGXE.com, THSale.com and WoWMine.com to see the real recipients of these
methods. These sites have close to 100x the number of links.
You are clearly also not familiar with malicious link building, but sadly I do not have time to educate you on that matter either.
This all comes down to accountability; Chinese companies simply can't be held to account legally. They are free to spam, de-fraud and steal from
MMORPG gamers. That's not to say that all do, but in my 5 year experience with RMT, most engage in illegitimate activity which an American company
could never get away with (as they would be taken to court).
Is that based on assumption or rumors? No; I've worked in China, visited these companies, sat down to dinner with their CEOs.
What are your opinions based on?
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mogs
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| posted on 11/1/2008 at 01:51 PM |
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http://sell.mogs.com ... we charge a bit more because a huge majority of the currency we sell
does come from players. We hold the stock on our accounts so there is a higher risk. SEO, in game spam, completely different levels of advertising. We
do not use AdWords due to the insane click fraud incurred by competitors. Our Power leveling is NOT done in China; it’s why it costs more and is
guaranteed not to be banned.
Finally I have been doing this a very long time and I’m offended by all these sites that want to try and get into an industry that already catch's
a bad rap. They bring the in game spam, the false advertisements for delivery etc etc... that’s where my issues are, if you’re going to compete
fine.. Just don’t use methods that are going to ruin my game time.
Finally Mr Fuckingmogs, you have no clue what you are talking about, so be offended, I am offended... And no not everyone need to use unethical
strategies to make a living, only people that suck at what they do. Also the reason we DO NOT spam in game is not because we are afraid of being sued,
its because we find it to be the lowest dirtiest weakest way to advertise a product... These games people play to get the [Censored] away from
the day.. become immersed in virtual world for the time being. Its distracting to have real word ads thrown in your face that were not meant to be
there. Obviously.. look at the post from EA... These companies spend millions and years of development to get a great product out there. The last
thing they or their customers want to see is advertisements in game for gold or powerleveling.
[Edited on 11/1/2008 by mogs]
www.MOGS.com
The Worlds premier USA based RMT service!
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| posted on 6/17/2009 at 05:09 AM |
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Sorry to bump an old thread. I represent UberGold, a wholesale leveling and accounts company. You have to understand something with advertising in
game.
Most companies do it because Search Engine or Content advertising doesn't work. Partly because of click-jacking, partly because it costs way too
much these days. $2000 might get you 400-2000 clicks on Google, and of that maybe 20-100 sales. 20 sales would mean a cost of around $100 we need to
make back, each sale. 100 sales would mean $20 per each sale we need to make back. If we don't make back the cost of advertising... we lose.
It's easy. There are spam programs for Warhammer and Age of Conan. There are even some for World of Warcraft - though thats tapered off a bit.
Ever since Lax stopped providing ISXWoW and ISXWarden for free - thank you Lax.
You mentioned we would be sued if we live in the USA and advertised in game... thats not exactly true. It would be easy to set up a shell site in
China, Russia, or Iran even and then advertise in game.
Blackhat advertising does work sadly. It also means that we are trying to get more business, but it's not like we are sending you out spam everyday
or every hour trying to get your business.
Spitt
http://ubergold.com - ask about wholesale accounts and leveling - We level for the big guys.
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Wow, that was a heavy thread.
I haven't met any gangbangers in the gold selling industry yet. Most web designers are college grads, but they do lack an understanding of the
English language, and the culture of business in China is more about copying rather than innovation. That results in copying stuff and not knowing
what should be removed, e.g. a company name.
It's a fine example of why Chinese RMT companies need foreigners to fix their websites and even do relationship management. e.g. I'm sure you
wouldn't feel like doing business with anyone that copied you like that. That's a burnt bridge.
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